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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby NL Spyder » Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:02 am

Hi manfred,

You could contact Richard at www.vwspyder.nl , perhaps he is able to help you. He is located in Deventer, a city close to Zutphen ( 20 minutes by car )
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:34 pm

Just starting a 718 project, with a rough body as the starting point.
Need head light and tail light assemblie supplier.
I live in Ontario,Canada
I have built from scratch formula 1600 "V"''s and raced them.
I build and race class C and D hydroplanes.
I have been building new replica 1936 German aerobatic aircraft called Bucker Jungmann and Jungmeisters, for the last thirty years, as a business. Aerobatic pilot, own and ride a Buell Super TT motorcycle
58 Chevy pickup is my daily driver.
I also train welders in GMAW,SMAW,GTAW and oxy fuel gas.
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby danstern » Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:00 am

Welcome.
I think you'll find this a great forum.
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:26 pm

Thanks Dan
Had to laugh at your quote.
My company name was "Blackhole Investments Limited"
Covered me for airplanes, cars, motorcycles, boats, and anything else that seemed to empty me of funds.

I sprayed one of the three frames I built with expanding polyurathane foam and then carved away anything that didn't look like the race car I wanted.
Then took molds and produced bodies.
Also used forced air for cooling through fiberglass ducts I made.
Lots of fun.
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:57 am

I think that the body I have came from a company called "Vintage Automobile Replica Co."
located in Noble, Ontario
I got a info package from them along with some photos.
This all happened twenty years ago.

I am having problems (read don't know how) in resizing photos to put here any help out there?
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 12:51 pm

photos I hope.
Well I am getting better at this.
These are from the info package
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:00 pm

One more from the same company.
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby danstern » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:37 am

Interesting. I don't think I've ever seen another like it.
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:16 pm

There is a silver replica RS 60 with the lower extra headlights #21 that has the same raised section where the wind shield attaches to the body. It has only single tailights though.
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby RS-60 mark » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:27 pm

Hi Charlie --

Your body shell appears to be knocked-off the original GP Spyder (England) body. That's no real surprise, really. Virtually all the 718 fiberglass shells are rooted to GP Spyder.

What makes yours particularly unique is the mid-engine setup (and some especially odd add-on appendages). GP Spyders were all built on VW pan style layout and thus: rear engined. Your space frame, mid-engined layout is closer the the real 718's theme. However, I would ditch the "aero rollover bar" and those weird front and rear bumper things! They definitely don't belong.

The glass windscreen in the pictures looks like an easy-to-come-by Porsche 356 Speedster windscreen. The 356 has a pronounced hump on the cowl under the windscreen. The original GP Spyder (and the real 718) are flat across the cowl under the windscreen. So, I'm guessing that when you mention something about the "raised section where the wind shield attaches to the body" I suppose the raised section is to accommodate the shape of the 356 windscreen.

As far as headlights and tail lights, it looks like you are a long way from needing them. The headlights are standard high /low beams. The tail lights come from an old Range Rover (also commonly used on Cobra kits). If I were to do it over again, I would cut the tail light sockets out and fill the holes flush with the shell. Then I'd surface mount One tail light on each side (look at pictures of real 718).

You have a great project. You are starting off at about at the same place I did. I recommend studying pictures of the real 718's. That will help you fill in the blanks when questions come up. You won't be able to perfectly clone a real 718, but you can have the "look".
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:32 am

Thanks Mark
I will be building a space frame and have downloaded many photos of both kit and real RS60's.
I will try to get the look of the original but will use independent suspension both front and rear using Miata hardware.
I will put on some photos of what I have to start with. Note the cut out to put in plexiglass, this will be repaired
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Tue Sep 04, 2012 4:43 am

Some photos of where I am starting from.
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby RS-60 mark » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:14 pm

Is that everything you have? [:0] [:0]

It's not the end of the world, you have about the same as I did when I started, but you will have to do quite a bit of filling-in-the-blanks!

Larry -- maybe you can move this and the related posts above over to Tech General with its own subject thread??

Charlie -- let's talk about that rear shell: Before you fill in the cutout on top, cut some more out! On the GP Spyder the layout was rear engined. In order for the fan shroud to fit under the body the "engine hump" had to be carried higher at the rear. In mid engine config, you don't need this extra (unsightly) height. Look at pictures of originals -- you'll notice how the "engine hump" flows smoother to the rear; it doesn't have that step-down at the rear.

Also, it is your choice to have a head fairing or not. Every RSK, RS-60 / 61 has a head fairing.

And you may find that your rear shell is a little bit short for comfortable adaptation to mid engine. With the complete shell on the floor like you have it pictured, drop a plumb bob to the floor from the center of front and rear wheel arches to mark their centers on the floor. The measurement between those marks is going to be your wheel base. My wheel base is 87.5". I think you might find you are significantly short of that. If so, scoot your rear shell backwards until you end up with 87-88 inch "wheelbase". Then you will have enough room to fit the engine in front of the axles without the fan pulley sitting in the cockpit. (The real RS-60 had a 86.6" wheel base.) Obviously you will have to fabricate the rear shell to extend the rear shell towards the front to fill in the gap you created to gain wheelbase.

While you are marking the "wheel base" derived from the centerline of wheel arches, mark the centerlines of both sides and check for squareness. GP shells are known to not be symmetrical and if your shell continues that trait, now is the time to discover one front wheel arch is 1" forward of the other -- and figure out what you are going to do about it.

And, when you are playing with the shell on the floor, keep in mind that the cockpit floor pan will want to be a Minimum 24" below the rear corner of the door. Then if you are 6' tall and your seat shell is all the way on the floor, the top of your wind screen will be in the center of your eye level. I'm at 24" and would kill to have a chance to do it over again and drop the pan just 1" more.

You'll notice that your body sits quite a bit higher than your pan if the rear corner of the door is 24" above the pan. I used 1/4" aluminum for my pan, 4' wide. Since you are obviously handy with fiberglass, then reshape the lower edge of the existing body sides and extend them to intersect with the pan (with a method to eventually attach the sides to the pan).

That's about enough for now . . .
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:39 am

Thanks Mark, it's nice to have help from someone that has been there before.
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Re: 718 (RSK, RS-60, RS-61, F-2)

Postby Charlie13 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:48 pm

Well it looks like 83 inches for the wheel base.
You were right.
So I need 88 inches to make everyone happy.
I will have to change the location of the side engine cooling doors.
Foam and glass.
The track shows 53 inches but includes the flairs that were not on the original.
More foam and glass.
The top of the rear of the door is at this moment 21 inches to the pan. |That is three inches of body extention to get the 24
I will cut the sill below the doors and add three inchs or more as I am six ft. more foam and glass.
I will take photos and share.
Thanks Mark for the start of a new list.
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