Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby VintageGreg » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:36 pm

Devin,
the seats we substituted for coil over shocks ,I made the fiberglass panels with the three holes you wanted instead of thew carpet,when you got here you no longer wanted them so whe traded carpet and a few other things for the exhaust!
Maybe you have amnesia but i dont!
If this was not the case then why the email dated 1/25/13 "items left to send" as attached in my earlier post?


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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby Devin » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:55 pm

We will go over the substituted value of these items with Visa. and if you didnt send them, they wernt really substituted where they? as for the fiberglass pieces, you told me to forget getting those when you blew up on me on Christmas eve. The funniest part of all of this is that if you spent a quarter of the time you spent on this rant tonight as you did shipping my parts you could have avoided this. Haha. do you see how terrible you are a customer relations?! But it all makes sense now, you were arguing with past customers about screwing them over instead of spending that time to send my parts. im Sorry Greg, I understand everything now. Can we be friends?
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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby VintageGreg » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:05 pm

Devin,
Did you not pick up rear coil shocks when you picked up your parts?
I also told you a few days befor coming here that i infact made and have those panels here for you,must be the Canadian air!!!
Sure we can be friends.... maybe you and RS60Mark can help run my Lemonade stand???!!?
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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby SpyderMike » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:16 pm

RS-60 mark wrote:
SpyderMike wrote:RS-60 Mark, shoot me an email if you get a chance naitsirhcm AT gmail.com...

Mike, you have mail. Look for Ann.


back at you sir!


man, this is something...I have an ice cold beer in my hand... waiting for the next post.
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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby Devin » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:59 pm

This has been entertaining but no matter what, it will only be settled through Visa. I wish I could make you understand how little you deserve to own and operate a business, complaining that youre sick all the time and whining that you have to do everything yourself is not the customers fault, but you make it their problem. you are quick to make promises and take the money with no intention of backing it up. And now in front of all the members who bother to read this thread you have proved that you have all the time in the world to argue with a customer who is done doing business with you, but fail to have the time to call the UPS man to come pick up a parts package that has been paid for for 8 months. The sad thing is that i knew you would go back and forth like this for hours and prove my point for me. Now imagine how many more steps ahead of you I am.
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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby VintageGreg » Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:24 pm

Devin,
I did not build the clam shell release lever, I
Modified it for you as I do to all of them if I did not make this modification it would fall apart within a month, but hey I'll focus more on my Lemonade stand!

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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby michaelr1 » Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:10 am

I bought my Vintage Spyder second hand and read all of the comments here and elsewhere regarding service. I can say every phone call I made has been returned and every part sent and received as advertised. I love my car and would not own any other brand if 550. If it were different I would say so, but all is well in my world and hopefully will remain that way.
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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby SpyderMike » Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:58 pm

You bought used....smart man.
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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby BillW » Thu Dec 18, 2014 11:46 am

Wow, I'm sooo glad I chose Beck/Special Edition for my Spyder order.
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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby Chazlink » Fri May 27, 2016 7:57 am

This is a very old thread but it deserves a fresh start up.
I am one of the many customers who has had Greg Leach build them a car and was warned by countless people to not even think about doing such a thing.
I began my journey and at first what I did was I contacted previous customers who had cars built at Vintage Spyders (motorcars) whatever.
I had the idea to Lauren to what they had to say and then give Greg Leach the benefit of the doubt and let the guy build me a car. Then it began....
The truth is that Gregs employees build a nice car but as soon as Greg gets involved in assembly, handling the cars physically or dealing with a customer then this is where the business's falls hard.
I can list on this forum at least 5 local Orange County, California business's with names and phone numbers of business owners who have good reputations who warned me and shared stories of VERY bad business dealings with Greg Leach over the years.
I could go on and on about why and what happened with my own personal build with him but I might just save this for later.
The number one problem he has that will eventually sink him in his personal relationships and his business is his COMPULSIVE LYING...
I sat down before handing him any money prior to my build beginning and asked him about these people who had bad experiences with him and he told me stories and did a great job at feeding me a BS sandwich.
What's sad is that if Greg Leach had just been totally honest and polite about build times and ordering the wrong parts from Empi (I know people everywhere and they all talk) or how about the best one of all..
It's such a small world that I have to tell this one because it's so good.
Something to remember folks, Grwg Leach thinks people are idiots..Greg Leach forgets how small the world is.

When I picked up my finished Spyder I noticed a couple days later that there was a strange hazing discoloration in an area of the paint on the side of the car about 6" x 4" so I asked what it was to Greg Leach.
His response "I don't see anything" and then "well maybe alittle something".
I'm like "you can't see that?" And he said "just bring it back next month because I can't mess with it now" so I set a date to bring it back...
Meanwhile during this 30-days I have other issues like rear axle seal leaking and I ask him what warranty is and he tells me I supplied the transmission so it's not his problem but he will fix it this (one time).
By the looks of this repair he fixed it himself because he let the rear disc caliper hang from a metal line causing it to bend while he had everything apart (thanks for that Greg).
So he replaces the seal....
A couple days later it's leaking again...I take it apart and find that the seal he installed he did not tap in all the way and seat so it was not sealing properly, I tapped it the rest of the way and it's been good since.
During this day that my car sat unsafely at Vintage Motorcars he also was installing some Soyder emblem clips on passenger side front fender area..
Well naturally he also did this himself do to the fact that he obviously doesn't like to pay his employees to work on finished cars while pulling them from jobs that are unfinished.
Greg leans inside the open door and somehow chips the edge of my rocker in FOUR places (more then likely with the metal on his jeans.
Why do I know this happened there? I have a ton of pics of my car and I'm so OCD that I took pics of everything prior to it going back over there and they were not there, two of the chips even had silver touch up paint in them.
So later I find out that from this same visit where my car was chipped, rear brake line was bent, seal was replaced wrong I had other damage occur....
Somehow when he lifted my car the bottom edge of body was scratched by something it was lifted with..it just never ends right??
Actually it does and here's the best part of why not to let Greg Leach near your car...
I drive my car back to Vintage Motorcars on the day we had scheduled to do a paint/blend in area where there was discoloration.
On my way I run out of gas which was weird because the gas gauge had not even hit empty, this was fun because I had to punch my car close to a mile.
I show up for the last time in my life at Vintage Motorcars and I'm not having a good morning yet..
One of his employees comes out and is talking to me about my car and we are discussing carbs so I let him take my car around the block to feel the way it's running and he comes back.....
So Greg Leach pulls up, "good morning!" He said.. I respond "is it?" Seeing how I'm not having one yet.
Here's where Greg Leach decides to shine with his customer service skills..
I go inside and begin talking to him and mention I ran out of gas and had to push my car and how gas gauge want even on empty and he tells me when it gets to where it was to make sure I bet gas (good to know)
Then I say can you please make sure the body and paint guys tape everything off well so they don't get overspray on anything. His response "we will tape everything off the best we can but I'm not making any promises that there won't be overspray on anything"
I said what does that mean? And I said and I'm not going to notice the blend when the paint is finished right?
He said " look Charlie! You didn't pay for a 10K paint job so they will do the best they can but I'm not making any guarantees on anything"
Keep in mind he is shouting this with anger and frustration at me and tells me he's not having a good morning either...
I said what do you mean I didn't pay for a 10k paint job?? I said you have your cars painted with different quality because we never discussed any of this prior to my car being built and you never mentioned that I was paying for less quality.
He cuts me off and raises his voice and tells me again I'm not making any promises.
I said "alright man" (all this while containing myself mentally becauseall I could think about was telling him to go F&@ himself)
I turned and walked out towards my car to begin to leave with my car and he follows me and tells me " why don't you get in your car and leave"
I said nothing, I have a lot of self control so I contained it.
I got into my car and drove home...
So the story gets better....
Remember it's a small world. I run into a guy who just so happened to go by Vintage Motorcars while my car was there and was almost finished (can't reveil his company he works for or name but he is an honest guy).
So this guy saw the employees of Vintage Motorcars dealing with a situation on my car prior to it being finished and the situation focus was on the exact area of my car where the discoloration in paint was and car even had material taped and cover the entire side except the area where my discoloration was (meaning Greg Leach was well aware of this discoloration area)
He had a paint guy spray this area which means there was a touch up done to my car because something was wrong with the paint.
Again, such a small world Greg... You should have just been honest about it.
Another guy in the car industry hears that Greg Leach actually dropped something on my car accidentally and chipped it so he had to respray and area.
Now the person who told me this didn't know it was my car but it turns out it was.
So I took my car to 3-prestigious paint and body business's and had them look closely at the discolored area and they all determined same thing with 100% certainty.
There was a small chip and light sanding in that area and a small blend done.
Vintage Motorcars (Greg Leach) accidentally damaged my car, had his guys do a quick low quality touch up and when the paint cured it started to reveil itself as did the small world and industry of our love for cars.
And when I wanted it fixed I became the difficult customer asking for way too much.
If this thread gets enough attention I will share the other lies he fed me during my Spyder build.
I like my car, it's a great build and if Greg had never touched it or walked near it then it would be almost flawless.
I thabk the builders who work there for the quality fiberglass work.
The future is sad for Greg and his business because if he continues down the road of dishonestly then he will eventually lose it all.
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Re: Broken Record... Vintage Spyders

Postby Trent » Wed Jan 11, 2017 7:04 pm

Bought used from him. He swapped out the plexi for real glass, (re-)installed wipers, changed out the mirror. The re-spray is flawless. All work completed on time and shipped to my door. Phone calls were returned, txts returned quicker. E-mail requests for pics returned in a day or two. We haggled over the phone and frankly my transaction, and his work, went off without a hitch. I couldn't be happier...
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