550 Spyder - ON Canada - Structural Inspection

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550 Spyder - ON Canada - Structural Inspection

Postby Armodilo » Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:35 am

Hi everyone,

So the good news is; we purchased a 1992 Beck Spyder from British Columbia and have brought it into Ontario, Canada. It arrived yesterday and I can't believe how beautiful they are, (the Beck # is 171.)

The next step, certification and registration (I'm hoping some of you that have done this have some insight):

It appears that any vehicle brought into Ontario from the US or any province within Canada that carries a "Rebuild' title (which this one does) automatically gets assigned a 'Salvage' vehicle title (can't be driven), meaning it needs to get a Structural Inspection Certificate (SIC) along with a Standard Safety Certificate (SSC) to be registered and plated. The issue I think I'm going to have is the SIC, which if completed would change the title form 'Salvage' to 'Rebuild' (and can then be driven).

The SIC from what I can tell requires the car to be measured at an authorized Vehicle Inspection Station and verifies the measurements against existing vehicle manufacturer drawings, (which I don't believe currently exist). From what I've been told by two of the centers that I've been in touch with is that if they can't compare to the manufacturer drawings, they can't do the SIC.

It appears the rules changed last year but not all the information online is clear or updated. I have only found one site online that outlines the process.

I really would like to understand the process better, and if anyone has any information on how I can navigate this hurdle or knows someone who has done this for them please let me know.

Cheers,

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Link & Information:

​http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/vehicles/vehicle-branding-program-faq.shtml​

Q5: What happens to vehicles branded in another province when they are registered in Ontario?

Vehicle brand information from other Canadian or US jurisdictions will be carried forward when vehicles are registered in Ontario, with the exception of the "Rebuilt" brand.

Imported vehicles with a "Rebuilt" designation or its equivalent from other Canadian or US jurisdictions will be registered as "Salvage" in Ontario. These vehicles need to undergo a structural inspection to make sure they have been properly repaired before they can be branded as "Rebuilt" in Ontario.

Q9: Can I legally drive an "Irreparable" or "Salvage" vehicle on Ontario roads?

No. Vehicles branded as "Irreparable" can never be driven on Ontario roads. They can only be used for parts or scrap.

Vehicles branded as "Salvage" can't be driven on the road, but they can be towed for the purposes of repair or receiving a Safety Standards Certificate. If you want to drive a "Salvage" vehicle, it must be upgraded to "Rebuilt." This can only be done if it has passed a structural inspection and safety inspection to be registered for on-road use.

Q10: How can I change the brand on my vehicle from "Salvage" to "Rebuilt"?

To make sure your vehicle meets minimum safety standards, it must pass an inspection and be issued a Structural Inspection Certificate (SIC). You must submit the SIC and registration permit to a Ministry of Transportation licensing office. Once accepted and approved, the "Salvage" brand will be changed to "Rebuilt."

Once the "Rebuilt" brand is placed on the vehicle registration file, you must obtain a Safety Standards Certificate from any Motor Vehicle Inspection Station so the vehicle can be declared "fit." The vehicle may then be plated and legally operated (once it has been provided with a Drive Clean certificate, if required).

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Re: 550 Spyder - ON Canada - Structural Inspection

Postby RVosari » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:17 am

If the bureau-crazies in Ontario are serious about this...you better get a PO Box in Vancouver ...re-register the car there and have fun driving it on Bloor St. [:0]

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Re: 550 Spyder - ON Canada - Structural Inspection

Postby Armodilo » Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:16 am

Not the worst idea based on these insane rules.
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Re: 550 Spyder - ON Canada - Structural Inspection

Postby Aussiespyder » Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:20 am

Pm sent!!
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Re: 550 Spyder - ON Canada - Structural Inspection

Postby Armodilo » Sun Aug 27, 2017 4:10 pm

Thanks to everyone that helped out, she's finally plated and on the road!
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Re: 550 Spyder - ON Canada - Structural Inspection

Postby sjgharib » Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:40 pm

ok, so what was the trick??
I'm sure other people will benefit from the solution - please share!
unless it involved a large bag of money and a few cartons of cigarettes
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Re: 550 Spyder - ON Canada - Structural Inspection

Postby Armodilo » Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:37 pm

Ha, not at all, it was all on the 'up-and-up'.

Ontario requires a Structural Inspection Certificate (SIC) for any car that's been classified as 'Rebuilt', which this one was. In 1992, when it was registered in British Columbia, the 'Rebuilt' title was the only thing available to them so all Kit cars were titled that way -- all fine until you try to import one into Ontario at which point 'Rebuilt' automatically turns into 'Salvage'. To get a car from 'Salvage' back to 'Rebuilt' requires a SIC to be completed, the catch for us 550 Kit owners: the MTO (Ministry Transport Ontario) requires OEM (manufacturer) drawings of the car's chassis so they can measure and compare to and assure no structural damage had been done to the car. After a long and exhaustive search we found a very kind contact at the MTO who offered a SIC to be completed from scratch, meaning they measured the car and made full structural drawings for their database.

If anyone in Ontario Canada ends up with a similar problem please reach out to me and I can share the details of the process we went through.

Not the easiest but once we reached the appropriate person at the MTO and did our homework, it was manageable and honestly -- worth every effort.

These cars are raw, beautiful and so much fun. I look forward to learning as much as possible and this forum makes that very possible, thanks to everyone that contributes here.

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Re: 550 Spyder - ON Canada - Structural Inspection

Postby EEricson » Mon Aug 28, 2017 6:28 pm

So glad to hear this worked out for you. So many of us see these mazes of regulations—usually having little or nothing to do with our own actual situation—and despair. Kudos for sticking it out and finding your way through clean.
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