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Postby danstern » Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:19 am

According to the European Editor of PCA's Panorama, this from Porsche's CEO:

\"...,the four-cylinder, mid-engined sports car ... launched in 2014 and it's planned to name it the 550, after the iconic sports car of the mid-1950s.\"

I guess we'll see [?]
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Postby Goofycat » Fri Apr 22, 2011 6:56 am

You mean we'll be able to finally see a \"real\" 550 on the road? [8D]
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Postby Bert » Fri Apr 22, 2011 9:58 am

I'm hoping it's 550 HP in 1300 pounds... I'd let them call it a 550 then.
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Postby danstern » Fri Apr 22, 2011 10:02 am

I'd guess <200 hp and 3,000 pounds, but hopefully it will handle very well.
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New 550

Postby Ralphc » Fri Apr 22, 2011 12:05 pm

And so now their lawyers will be after those who \"misappropriate\" their trademarks...
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Postby Greenberg » Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:28 am

http://theperfectporsche.com/2011/01/vi ... otor-show/


I recieved a brochure asking me if I wanted to pre order one for 2014.

It was similar to this link.
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Postby laneco » Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:45 am

Cars, even sports cars, have grown to be such lard asses over the last decade that any maker who departs from the \"make it heavier, just add horsepower\" formula could find themselves with a winner. Look at the Elise and the Exige.

The technology exists to meet all safety standards in a full carbon tub chassis. Yes, it will be expensive, but the car that Greenie provided the link to is $700,000 and the cost of laying up such a tub has dropped exponentially in the last few years.

Make it from CF, with aluminum suspension, lose the power steering, power brakes, ridiculously heavy hybrid systems, skip the all wheel ddrive, stereo headunit (couple of speakers and an Ipod jack will be fine), make a/c an option. Nothing wrong with a four or a turbo four. A nice 350 to 375 horsepower direct injected turbo-four will do nicely with a car that weights 2,000 to 2,200 pounds.

Porsche could build this and it would be spectacular. Unfortunately, they need to make a decision as to where the current 911 model fits in this mix. Because a car spec'd like this little one will hand hiney to even the GT3 variants.

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Postby danstern » Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:22 pm

As you noted the Lotus Exige is pretty close.
2,000 pounds, 240 or 260 hp from a 1.8 liter, supercharged I-4. Mid-engine rear wheel drive.
Easily modified to 300+ horsepower.
And it is really fun to drive.
Makes me smile like the Spyder :D
The catch in the Lotus case is build quality. It isn't included, but to be honest, I think that's a result of low production nos. (just a few hundred a year into the US) rather than price.
It's kind of a hand built car.
Sound familiar :nana:
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Postby YamaBice » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:07 pm

One thing that I've never understood about the Lotus Elise/Exige is that it's essentially a Toyota MR2 Spyder.

I had an MR2 Spyder for a while, and I really liked it. But is the Lotus variant really that much superior of a car than an MR2 Spyder?

I ultimately got rid of my MR2 Spyder in order to buy my Special Edition Spyder. The difference between the two cars is obviously like night and day.
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Postby danstern » Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:45 pm

The Mr. 2 to the Exige S is night and day.
Lotus basically builds track cars that meet (or get exemptions from) street regulations*.
The MR2 was designed for (and succeeded at being) an enthusiast's car.
They really are totally different, except for sharing a Toyota engine, that's no longer produced.
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*What other cars come stock with AP Racing brakes, remote reservoir Ohlins with adjustable perches, a harness bar, tires with a wear rating of 60, blah, blah, blah.
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Postby DannyP » Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:14 pm

Please Yama, do your research. Calling an Elise/Exige an MR2 is like calling a 911 a VW Bug. The only thing from Toyota is the longblock and trans, really. The computer is tuned by Lotus and exhaust is all Lotus, as is the extruded aluminum chassis and suspension. MR2 was a steel unibody, and the Elise/Exige motor was out of the Celica GTS, IIRC.
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Postby Aussiespyder » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:44 am

YamaBice wrote:One thing that I've never understood about the Lotus Elise/Exige is that it's essentially a Toyota MR2 Spyder..


I'll let my buddies at Lotus Engineering know to keep up their Japanese lessons!
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Postby YamaBice » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:21 am

You guys do understand that both cars are a mid-engine design, don't you? And, that both cars recently used the same Toyota 1.8-liter \"ZZ\" engine? And that both cars used the same Toyota transmission? And that Toyota MR2 Spyders often compete in autocross events, as do the Lotus Elises/Exiges.

The MR2 Spyder and Lotus Elise/Exige are a lot more similar to each other than a Porsche 911 and a Volkswagen beetle are. Please do your research.
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Postby Aussiespyder » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:41 am

Nice!
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Postby danstern » Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:08 am

Aussie,
Do you have a source for that great Toyota sticker?
I want to put it on my new Exige S. [-X
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